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Most impressive feat in Super
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PocketGod	Oct 20 2017, 01:12 AM Post #16
Posts: 1,668 Group: Member Member #12,574 Joined: August 22, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Yowamushi Pedal What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk	Hercule going Super Saiyan and wrecking Beebus comes to mind.
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Tinny	Oct 20 2017, 02:07 AM Post #17
Posts: 6,061 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Dankness Flame Oct 20 2017, 01:11 AM Tinny Oct 19 2017, 10:40 PM Dankness Flame Oct 19 2017, 06:27 PM Tinny Oct 19 2017, 05:52 PM Quote: First real glimpse of low level 4D power. I'm sorry but... The Fourth Dimension is usually time right? So... Guldo and Hit are 4D. One of whom is weaker than GOKU UI and Jiren (I assume) and the other of which is spectacularly weak even in his home arc. With that said, the best feat they did... In skill it's easily Vegetto using actual martial arts skill an tactics against Zamasu, something I haven't really seen done by Dragon Ball before or since, and in terms of physical power, I think I'd also place Trunk's Gambatte! sword there, doing what even Vegetto failed to do by finally (until the next episode) killing Zamasu. So are you saying they're above 4D? What's 5 fifth dimensional even mean? All I know is that it's a math concept, which I assume isn't what you're referring to. Why do they have to be "above 4d" anyway? Goku put the hurt on Hit without needing to be "fourth dimensional" in the first place, and only really get there later in the fight. They're just strong. None of this being more powerful than multiplication stuff, they're just that strong that he overcomes Hit's abilities or shaking the universe where the tournament is held. Adding dimensions onto kind of smacks of using words without understanding what they mean, and I see it way too often from a lot of DB fans with these feats ( "Black holes" that can't even pick up loose rubble and don't act anything like a black hole go here too), even rather prominent ones like Seth the Programmer. Whis straight up said that Jiren is above time. Did he say the same when Goku whooped Hit? No but he broke through Hit's time manipulation. Hell I remember that day. "Faster than Time" I believe was the phrase getting thrown around back then too. And again, it's one thing to say that Jiren is immune to time manipulation, it's another thing to argue that they're 4d because they shake a big area (I realize infinity is big but it's still only big, that doesn't mean it's also the personification of the concept of left, subtraction, or the fifth dimension). And frankly, regarding that, your logic wasn't that Jiren was going against Hit (likely because Goku already did that), it was that they shook infinity (which thinking about it didn't Vegeta already also do that blowing up the RoSaT?), and thus were manipulating time somehow. Which makes... Very little sense to me.
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Dankness Lava	Oct 20 2017, 02:44 AM Post #18
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,349 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	I don't think it's that he's manipulating time. It's that time has no bearing on Jiren. I may have fused my two points into one, but I say the two feats Jiren showed (getting out of Time Skip and shaking infinity) proves that he has power that goes past what a 3D space can 'comprehend', which is what I mean by 4D. And infinity isn't just big, it's immeasurable.



+ Ssj3vegito96	Oct 20 2017, 03:07 AM Post #19
Posts: 10,333 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Nah vegeta didn't destroy an infinite amount of space. The ROSAT is the size of the earth's surface Jiren can't be compared to Guldo. He is beyond time and space meaning if guldo stops time jiren will power through and rip him apart. It's like when hit used time skip on jiren to freeze him in a cage of time, essentially freezing just him in piece of time but jiren was still able to push through it. It's very weird but the point is that jiren is powerful enough to break the rules and not abide by time and space. They aren't boundaries to him. Like champa said he was able to react to and detect hit's attacks when hit was in a separate space Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Oct 20 2017, 03:10 AM.
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superperfectnerd	Oct 20 2017, 02:32 PM Post #20
Posts: 3,718 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	How about Arale matching ssjb Goku without even trying? Or when she cracked The Earth in two with a casual punch. Edited by superperfectnerd, Oct 20 2017, 02:35 PM.



Bad User	Oct 20 2017, 02:42 PM Post #21
Posts: 630 Group: Member Member #13,968 Joined: July 23, 2017 Gender Other	superperfectnerd Oct 20 2017, 02:32 PM How about Arale matching ssjb Goku without even trying? Or when she cracked The Earth in two with a casual punch. Now that you've mentioned it, I think it's obvious she's the mortal stronger than Gods. f* Jiren Edited by Bad User**, Oct 20 2017, 02:45 PM.



+ Ssj3vegito96	Oct 20 2017, 02:53 PM Post #22
Posts: 10,333 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Id honestly put my bet on jiren. Goku didn't even use kaioken against arale
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Notaka	Oct 20 2017, 04:30 PM Post #23
Always Wright Posts: 4,072 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	I believe that Jiren is indeed a 4D being too. Space-Time comes out as a forth-dimensional continuum, and Jiren, well.... He is stated to transcend time itself. Also, theoretically, a 4D character in a 3D environment would have infinite power, maybe even more. This could explain how Jiren(and Goku) was able to shake the world of void, an infinite but otherwise 3D area. I believe that Jiren,Zamasu and Zeno and the Angels are the only 4D beings in Dragon ball, maybe UI Goku could be one. On topic, Most impressive feat definitely have to be Zeno erasing whole damn existence.
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Tinny	Oct 21 2017, 03:11 AM Post #24
Posts: 6,061 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Dankness Flame Oct 20 2017, 02:44 AM I don't think it's that he's manipulating time. It's that time has no bearing on Jiren. I may have fused my two points into one, but I say the two feats Jiren showed (getting out of Time Skip and shaking infinity) proves that he has power that goes past what a 3D space can 'comprehend', which is what I mean by 4D. And infinity isn't just big, it's immeasurable. That whole, 3d can't comprehend it thing... That kind of implies he's more akin to cthulhu than a simple four dimensional creature. And the immeasurable isn't infinite, it just has to be too big for us to measure. Infinity isn't something that 'exists' per say (it's debatable anyway, and is debated by people far more intelligent than a random person talking about how 4d and 5d doesn't make sense as a power thing). As far as I can tell it's a mathematical concept we created. Like multiplication or imaginary numbers. As for getting out of the time skip, Goku did that once (and then got promptly locked back in when Hit adapted, though in this case Hit isn't getting that chance), shaking infinity... I'm not sure goes beyond 3D space? Ultimately even, if we go the route of saying Jiren is the four dimensional being, we have one way that could easily solve this. Can Jiren walk to the past or future the same way we can walk to the grocery store? He's clearly constrained by... "Time" in that he goes through it like the rest of us, that is to say, into the future, second by second. He's simply immune to either Hit's strength, or more broadly time stops and possibly time manipulation in general. Anything else is frankly misusing the terms at play just to make him sound stronger than he already is, which is a considerable amount considering he can shake infinity (A "three dimensional" infinity I assume). Hell for an example of actually four dimensional beings, we have the beings at the end of Interstellar, and the Aliens from Arrival to a lesser degree that clearly view time less like "time" and more like a street you can go up or down in. But saying they could take on Freeza (first form Namek arc even) for even a second would be laughable to say the least. Ssj3vegito96 Oct 20 2017, 03:07 AM Nah vegeta didn't destroy an infinite amount of space. The ROSAT is the size of the earth's surface Jiren can't be compared to Guldo. He is beyond time and space meaning if guldo stops time jiren will power through and rip him apart. It's like when hit used time skip on jiren to freeze him in a cage of time, essentially freezing just him in piece of time but jiren was still able to push through it. It's very weird but the point is that jiren is powerful enough to break the rules and not abide by time and space. They aren't boundaries to him. Like champa said he was able to react to and detect hit's attacks when hit was in a separate space Which is sort of my point regarding Guldo, if we're going with four dimensional beings, we've had one in Namek and he was... Well he was weak even for the Ginyu force, let alone compared to Jiren, if anything just calling him 4d and leaving it at that says nothing or even low balls him. That said, yes, he clearly isn't restrained by Hit's ability to stop time, which is a bit impressive. Edited by Tinny, Oct 21 2017, 03:15 AM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Oct 21 2017, 03:19 AM Post #25
Posts: 10,333 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Lol call it what you guys want but I don't understand the 4D debate. Is he 4D because he's beating people who manipulate time or is he above 4D because he can overpower time? Why can't we just leave it at saying he transcends time and space with raw power? Why is saying 4D so important? I'm hearing and reading it everywhere I think guldo's ability is 4D because it manipulates time but he isn't 4D the same way jiren is. Which is kind of the silly thing about just saying someone is 4D. I agree with tinny. We need to say something more specific
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Tinny	Oct 21 2017, 03:27 AM Post #26
Posts: 6,061 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Ssj3vegito96 Oct 21 2017, 03:19 AM Lol call it what you guys want but I don't understand the 4D debate. Is he 4D because he's beating people who manipulate time or is he above 4D because he can overpower time? Why can't we just leave it at saying he transcends time and space with raw power? Why is saying 4D so important? I'm hearing and reading it everywhere I think guldo's ability is 4D because it manipulates time but he isn't 4D the same way jiren is. Which is kind of the silly thing about just saying someone is 4D. I agree with tinny. We need to say something more specific THANK YOU! And to be frank I have no idea, saying that he's powerful enough that even time cannot cage him frankly sounds more awesome to me, but... I dunno, I guess 4D is easier to write. Even though it means he's getting grouped in with actual 4D beings who Jiren is clearly not by the simple fact that he moves through time like the rest of us, you just can't freeze him via stopping time. And yeah, Guldo clearly isn't effected by time the same way Jiren is effected (or perhaps not effected), Jiren doesn't manipulated time, but he isn't manipulated by time stoppage either, while Guldo I'm willing to bet would be the opposite in that situation, that is to say he can manipulate time, but also be manipulated by it. I'm very certain Hit could simply use the time skip against him and it'd work like a charm. Honestly, the way I'd phrase is something like. "Indomitable to Time", that is to say he can't be subdued by time stops or the like. Maybe it's not the best one, but it sounds awesome at least, can be shortened to ItT or IoT, and is a lot better at explaining what Jiren is compared to "4 dimensional," which only really works if you've never seen four dimensional beings talked about or theorized about.
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